I got a 7 with Heulwen, and a 16 with my Forsaken priest Rua  :)

((Heh.  I scored a 10, but that's because there were no Death Knight questions.   I filled in:

Is the character a fallen paladin or a death knight?

Is the character forgiving of the undead?

Both questions are under the Paladin section.  When checked, my score becomes a 12.   Meh.   It works.   I guess it is a little cliche to have a person who was evil in life become good only after becoming a death knight.  But then, having seen what hell looks like, I would expect an evil person given another shot at life to want to reform.))

Tundra got a 6 but Ash got a 16 which is okay, he's supposed to be a little cliched

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Scartaris got a 20 (largely because of the Silvermoon Resistance, and her plot to manipulate the Blood Knights, I suspect).

Figli got a 19, apparently for being named "Figli" and having a German accent.

And I made your "WOW litmus test" a hyperlink, for ease of use. I hope you do not mind. :)

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Ineesa got a 0 and is an anti-Sue! =O

Artisania is slightly higher, with a 7 - still non-Sue!

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(( Rhia got a 17. Mainly for having a name from mythology and having a sad past. I'd think you'd be hardpressed to find a draenei without some kind of sadness in their past. Rhia, however, is pretty much the opposite of angsty!

 Andri got a 3. Because she is...Andri. Not gorgeous, not ugly, not fat, not skinny, not super smart, not dumb, not quick, not slow...the only points she got were for committing treason against the Alliance, getting married at one point, and being smart.

My opinion on this: Alot of people think Rhia is the *more* complicated (and perhaps interesting) of my two characters. I find, however, that I don't *create* characters. They create themselves. It's really hard to explain! I start off with an idea and then go from there :-)  I'd like to think of my characters as cobbled together from experiences and memories just like any real person.

Mary Sure litmus tests can be a fun exercise, though the results are often skewed, especially since they were originally written for stories (fanfiction) more than RP. In some RP communities, though, they can cause a real issue as people begin to run various characters--sometimes not their own--through it and claim that someone is a wild Mary Sue or not.

Truth is, a Mary Sue is played, not made. One can have all the sparkly-traits available and be an awesome character written well by a good player, while a seeming Plain Jane can have some serious issues that make them a nightmare to deal with IC and OOC.

Things that have happened in plot or game are sometimes not considered, either. Most high level characters have some experience with Lore chars by now, if they ICly adapt quests and the like, so how is that sort of thing answered? Or the fact some class skills mimic some of these abilities, like priest abilities mimicking empathy and the like...

That said! Checking it out, Lirriel, fairly plain and simple, gets a 9 or 11 depending on how I interpret some of the questions and decide to check them.

Camyra gets a 1, Vyana gets a 4 (silly amnesia, it's usually worth a lot on these tests), Dzintra got a 9. Lormar gets a 7. Linnadia gets a 2. Cordanna I can't even really bother to take it for, given even less play time than Dzintra and lack of DK options to make things balance right.

And Akkie's comment about it not really resetting really alters my characters' results...

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Alt chars: Camyra, Vyana, Dzintra, Lormar

Horde alts: Linnadia, Cordanna

Laurai got a 93, Ilani got 14, Zaki got 26. Ashe got 44. Kind funny, Laurai's probably my most plain character, whereas Ilani is a scourge lich and Ashe is a half dragon. Well, for my troll, Zelphix though, I got a 0.

Excellent. Lady Everbloom is an uber-sue with a thirty-three. \o/

O, right: characters are supposed to be individual snowflakes and we ought to judge a fantasy settling by the standards of realism. I wouldn't take tests like this seriously as approaches to writing &c are extremely varied; I am disappointed I couldn't break fourty-one or whatever score it was that would have sent me packing to a pve server.

Ekaterinna Tatyana Belova: 8
Alexina Talenis: 17 *snickergigglesnort*
Geatana Stormhawk: 40! *laughs* And I only checked TWO THINGS! Hey, Kwake, whatcha think... is Tana an Uber-Sue? :P
Woe S.: 0
Sparkplug: 0
Aeonlona the Saucy Wench: 20
Apprentice Zaas Glados Devereaux: 26
Nazrie: 22
Ojhal: 17

That was actually rather amusing! *giggles* Really, this test is a little off I think but still....fun!

Flamey here is a 10. Not surprising, he's a pretty regular dude.

((btw, if you merely hit reset, it doesn't actually reset!))

Aktarin: 6 She's old for people who play her race.. but I wouldn't say old for a night elf. That one was tricky. She's a Warden. Honoes. She knew Maiev and Tyrande and Furion. After 10K years if you hadn't, you'd have to be a pretty antisocial elf. In creating her, my first character in WoW, I mostly just made a character I thought could have been an archer/huntress during the night elf campaign in WC3. I based her a bit on Naisha. http://www.wowwiki.com/Naisha  but spun her more toward Tyrande than Maiev.

Swallowtail: 15 damn that 1 year relationship with an evil warlock and the children that resulted >.<)  She would have been lower, but meeting Ythfas, working for him as a warrior-slave, sleeping with him, falling for him, having 3 kids by him in the course of a three year story pretty much ensured she was gonna score high on the tests. Plus, she's dusky skinned, since I don't think WoW permits enough non-European characters.

Gyrithrea: 2  Yup. Druid. Druid of the Talon, so a little out of the ordinary, but not really, I'd say, as they are ingame.

Ythgar Vinguld: 8 somehow! How he managed to score as a non-Sue despite being designedly the embodiment of studly evil and vampire things and such blows my mind. I rolled him to be the villainous male that in my most goth years I would have swooned over. A totally lore-appropriate vampire before the San'Layan, his story was expended from Ythfas' original backstory with his permission and assistance.

Ta'Srith: 19 lulz Ancient orphan trainee of the Highborne who never stopped using magic so became stupid addicted, carved out her own eye to get a technoarcane replacement a la Xavius.. yeah, Tas was scored high.

Llew: 6 I'm amused. I really am. Cause Before his torture, Llew was so much less Mary Sue.. but now has cool and strange scars! <.< And a hunger for vengeance! And yet he still is a Non-Sue. Sigh.

Samai: 1 Mellow happy slightly mentally challenged Draenei. Good to go.

Nanshe: 16 tee hee Well, the whole sold into slavery from Tanaris, fire mage, dancer, multiple rape thing probably gave that one away. I swear though the rapes for Nanshe weren't at all a 'woe is me' thing.. having her veil removed was all the rape it took to enrage and shame her. The rapes were simply me accepting that in the slave trade, with a defiant captive, and a female one, there really wasn't much of a way she wouldn't be abused. Historically, it's pretty much symptomatic.

I tend to roll either totally normal characters for the lore as I understand it (Akkie being the key example) or try and explore some less well explored RP place, like asking 'how do wastewander Bandits feel about being fodder for goblins? What if they were like Fremen?' or 'what if there was a tribe of people in the Stranglethorn Vale? Why shouldn't there be?'

Heidel here is 50. Lawl. I credit the fact that I included many aspects of Andrade in my answers for him, as well as the totally outside-canon powers she had going on and was teaching him in the story. Not to mention I'm sure I got huge points added for the whole "having a baby" set of answers. I think I'm gonna let the whole sun-running thing fade into the background... it's probably part of what's making me not want to play him, now that Andrade (aka Shivae, etc.) doesn't play anymore.

Pic related.

((well.. all my chars came up with

1 - 10 - The Non-Sue - You've dodged all the annoying cliches and made it to the coveted rank of Non-Sue. Congratulations! Your character is likely original and well-balanced.

With I think Aurry being the highest at 8 .. lol))

(( Rhan apparently gets a 0, which I'm not sure I believe.

I thought for sure I'd get something for not being Darkspear and being a McBroodyPants ;-D ))

(( ... Kali got a 9 :| I think at least 5 of those points is from her being a 'magical' being @_@

I don't know if I like this test. I've seen some really well made characters played horribly, and some rather dull characters played painfully well (*jealous type in this regard*) but I suppose there's something to be said about ATTEMPTING to be original or just picking everything you like in a character and trying to make it all work. Iono.

... hum... the characters I haven't fleshed out yet both came back as zeroes.

.... Interesting. ))

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(( Koani comes in at 27 and Lethandros at 26, which I kinda expected ^_^

Ananke's 29 I cannot agree with, however, as he is clearly an Uber Sue ^_~ ))

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Shjade: 5
Celenex: 13
Syrazad: 15
Gravo: 2
Shajde: 18

(Originally thought these were higher, but turned out to be a result of the test glitching: it doesn't reset points properly when I click the reset button, so every test was adding points to the next one. O.o Still lower than I expected, particularly Cel.

Not sure about the veracity of the test. Fun for fun and a joke, but it leaves some things out and lists other things without counterbalancing. Working for an evil regime is cliche, but working for a good organization isn't? How can a character in WoW possibly have the same religious beliefs as someone on Earth? Why is being an elf cliche when none of the other race options are listed? Why is there no section on time travel or alternate universes (I'm a Mag'har from the future come back to this time to blahblahblah)? It's an amusing test, but when I went back for it a second and third time I just kept seeing more and more that felt incomplete about it. Eh, still an amusing game the first time through.)

 Rhumal's score ends up being an 6, because he was abused by his family and he is Grimtotem, though the score is down because his religious beliefs are completely unlike mine.

Udhiram's score is a 7 because he's "forgiven" the orcs (though he never had a real beef with them).

Bragh got a 12.
Banagan got a 9.

Definitely amusing to look at. Got me thinking about some of the stories I'd done.

Well, darkness has a hunger that's insatiable.

I had hoped to see more discussion of peoples' approaches to designing characters, so there could be open evaluation of habits and traits that make for compelling RP. And while the test is meant as a fun exercise and is not infallible, it is worth considering some of the deeper points it brings up.

For example, someone with the attitude that it's just a fantasy game so they can write whatever they like might decide that their character has outlandish powers, and is then fairly likely to use those powers against some stranger in a crucial moment. I'd see this resulting in an awkward lull in the proceedings while the powers were then explained, and a fairly deserved amount of frustration from the receiving party.

This is just an example. People can of course play however they want and it's a fantasy game. However I thought it might be interesting to present the exercise to the community and see if it might help some people examine their RP style and determine whether or not their need to play "special" (for lack of a better word) characters might drive them to certain insular or frustrating habits; or provide ideas to those who have trouble fleshing out characters realistically and thus resort to piling on powers and out-there lineage; or for those with genuinely interesting and well-rounded character ideas but who fear that their characters have some glaring cliche or flaw they are blindly avoiding, to the detriment of the character's depth.

yeah I don't care for this thing. I have not roleplayed on this character much, so she really isn't developed. All of those questions were very "This is the typical things that everyone does" and Shaleigh is just a simple female druid. She isn't a hero.

Shaleigh got a 10; here are the things I clicked for her and why.

"Is the character's name/nickname sourced from mythology, video games, books, or anything similar?"
Shaleigh is derived off of Shanleigh -The Hero's Child- which is a reference to an old celtic druid.

"Did you spend more than a day looking for just the right name?"
Her name was once Windz' but people actually reported that as a non-RPer name. So I spent a long time finding a name not already used.

"Is the character an elf?"
She is a Kaldorei, so yeah, elf. (this gave no points)

"Is the character plain?"
Yes, actually, she really is plain when it comes to looks. Nothing different about this elf.

"Does the character have a strange scar or marking?" 
She is missing about an inch of her right ear. This was just something I decided to intricate, but I don't quite have a story for it yet.

"Has the character ever been a mercenary?"
She is kind of part a mercenary band called The Sylvan Blades, so she is currently known as one, though she doesn't act it.

"Does the character have a very good singing voice?"
I never really decided if she did or not, so I clicked it just because it would be nice. She is an elf, they have pretty voices, deal.

"Do animals (particularly fuzzy ones) or children instincively like or respond to the character?"
Druids are just as in tune with nature as hunters, so they can have random animal companions too!

"Is the character very well known?"
Or at least she should be well known. Her father is one of  the "old bear druids" who was an elder and teacher in the Emerald Dream.

"Has the character done things that would defy the laws and limitations of Night Elf society?"
See, I didn't like this one. They never actually said that only males could be druids, it only says that females were rare.

*Shrug* It is a character. k.
 

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Eridah: 5, not much of a surprise. Eridah's pretty plain jane average people. Well as average as a night elf can be.

Fanshen: 16, Borderline. Uh, duh. Beautiful... assassin... troubled past. Not exactly rocket science. Still, I am amused to see that being raped counts as a cliche. Obviously this was a test written by a man. Pig. (Apologies to all those sensitive men out there, generalizations being what they are.)

Vohlash: 15, Borderline. Mostly from coming back from the dead and for her relationship with Zahaith. Her quote on the matter,  "As if death isn't cliche?! I mean EVERYONE does it don't they."

Aelu: 18, Borderline. Raped, enslaved and seeking vengance. Apparently you're just supposed to take it. Definitely written by a man. (Second apology, boys.)

Xistla/Xistlah: 20, Borderline (Barely). Actually, Xistla's story is pretty much a play on Orpheus, so this isn't much of a surprise. Add in the kung fu teachings and the bringing Shar back from the dead and your pretty much push into Mary Sue. Anything that goes epic or mythic is going to do this though, so at least I didn't push 30 with it.

Yuta: 4, (would be 3, save for the whole female druid thing). Chunky night elf girls are not your ordinary faire.

Zahaith: 19, Borderline. Wow, I don't know how Ze' pulled this off. I mean, succubus, that's a cliche and half. *shrug* I think she just snuck by because the tester wasn't expecting it and had no questions for a demon with a conscious.

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 I agree with some previous statements. Mary Sue isn't so much always about the history of a character as how it is played and portrayed. That being said, sometimes the history can be very cliched or very 'I am so awesome and unique'. Its funny how those two things go hand in hand, isn't it?

 I personally was not surprised Amogayvhi scored low when I took it earlier, under ten. I wouldn't be surprised if I applied another character if I pushed it a little more.

 I know alot of people have said in the past, and forever will, that things like this discourage RP and creativeness. That everyone should be whatever they want and to live in a world of happy. Personally I think this is a good way to see if maybe you should check over what your doing and see if you have gone to far.

 If describing your character by things that they are, excluding generic terms like brother, daughter, mother, aunt, living, etcetera, and it takes you a paragraph to do so you might want to rethink that. If you are a super mary sue you may want to reconsider.

 Who am I and what right do I have to say this? Well, I have a viewpoint and a thought process of this. That Mary Sue hurts more then it helps because really they aren't creative. Its tons of the usual mashed together to try and make it unique. That, or its an attempt to be super powerful for whatever reason. Again, not good.

 I've seen more good RP ruined by these kind of characters then encouraged. Lets say someone has to be rescued from a bad guy. Their all pretty normal kinds of characters. Lots of rp. Now lets toss Super Sue in. Super Sue comes in a couple flavors.

1) Something protects them so bads can never happen. So whats the point? Get out of the world if the world has no way to interact with you except pleasant conversation.

2) They have access to something (Organization, item, etcetera) That makes them all knowing. Why whats this? Somethings going down? Why I have all the answers. I /knew/ that was happening. I saw it, scryed it, heard it whispered on the wind. Nothing can be secret.

3) Those that are allpowerful. I am a lich half dragon grand mage warrior posessed by a god. You can't defeat me. no mater what I crush all. I roll through, over. I win because there is no way you can be as powerful as me because X.

4) I'm a bajillion things that all leads to me being gorgeous and beautiful and perfect. And probably a slut.

 Really, none of these have ever, ever helped RP. People who play dragons? They prove it, they show it, they use it, they abuse it. Thats probably the biggest one I've had hit me. Ruin alot of rp.

 In short. Really. People say 'who are you' and 'we should always let people play what they want' etcetera. The important thing to remember is that almost every RPG made hasrules to it. Rules to regulate things. So why do we pull all rules from what we find acceptable as a community?

 I don't. Call me elitist, what you like, but some people are not welcome in any RP I find myself involved in.

 And this test, for what iti s? Yeah. I say its pretty good on, really. Now, I think some of the things that raise the score can be done well and are really more pure cliche/usual hooks then mary sue. . but some high scores should be taken, I think, as a note to rethink what your doing and look over things carefully.

Liore got a 10.

Non-sue. *flex*

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Heaven help me for the way I am

Save me from these evil deeds before I get them done

Patience - 0 And that's even with having met a lore character. I guess something cancels out.

After playing around with it, I think the only way to come close to 100 has to involve trying for the most ridiculous Mary Sue possible.

   Shorok Morien, Mist Walker  *Demon* Void Knight, At your service.....

I took the test at what I rated what Shorok was when I first started playing him... I got a 2....

Then I went again with what he is currently... I got a 98..

Nough said.